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Post by PwrTrip on Dec 26, 2013 23:13:50 GMT -5
Some good discussion so far, but not a whole lot considering the complaining during the year. I feel to vote on something we need to have more guys talking about the same item. So far we have had one guy ask for three classes and nobody else has agreed. Do we need to vote on that? I do think fair boards will have an issue with putting more money into the purse, but will talk to various fair boards at the fair convention in January to get a better idea. I think if we would go with three classes, guys will have to run for a lot less money in each class and it could be like Iowa where the top five get money, and everyone else in the feature goes home with nothing. We would also be running heats to make the line up for the feature and then race the feature as some races this year that happened with two classes. What if only five cars show’s up for each of the top two classes? I’m sure fans will love watching those heats and features. Safety is the other reason for it. Well I made the decision as did some others to go to a lighter car and if we have to fix it more often, well that's our decision. I do think tanks will slowly fade out as they aren’t currently as competitive. I agree that dead cars should be moved off the track under red flags if in the way, or if they are in a very vulnerable location on the track it could be red flagged to move them. This could make for more restarts. Do we want to continue like we do which takes some time to line back up when guys don’t stop right away with the red flag? Or do we switch to how it’s done in Iowa with the lead cars getting lined up and then lap cars placed at the back of the field? This is great for those in third or half a lap back, but stinks for the guy who has kicked butt for maybe 18 laps and now has 2nd on his tail with a couple laps to go. Also will this mess up the lap counters with how they keep track of all the cars? In Iowa it’s easier to keep tract of as they only need the top 5. I agree that four working brakes should be required for safety in both classes with the speeds we are going. It use to be in the rules for stock class, was never voted out and should be back in the rules as it was in 2012 and before. Also think if you win your heat, you deserve to draw for the top positions. I know the way it’s done now can make it a little more exciting. Plus having Nerud, Colin, Osmera or Brandon start at the back in a feature makes it easier on everyone else, but qualify in your heat and you should be rewarded. There has also been talk that the points system has made driving worse and racing rougher. I think guys have always beat and banged, and it’s the money more than the points system. I do think guys take the points a little too serious and complain a little too much about making points correct and watching video. Do we skip doing the points in 2014??? On a side note please enjoy this video from five years ago when there was no points, no hitting, the leader never get’s taken out or ran hard by a lap car, nobody backs into anyone else and everyone is having fun going in 8’s!!! www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9h7zh2FE6ITheron #2
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Post by kozisekracing on Dec 27, 2013 16:59:18 GMT -5
all good points Theron. I guess for a 3rd class scratch that idea. I agree dead cars should be moved unless theres only couple laps left. as far as iowa lining up cars that's good for them but I say we stay the way we are doing things. I think we should keep the points systems and for drawing for features it dnt make me any difference.
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Post by highroller7x on Dec 28, 2013 13:20:29 GMT -5
Theron I'm basically just wanting a meeting to re go over how much we can beef up stock cars.. I'm not tryin to start any drama but there were a few cars last year that were pretty darn beefed up and just wanna know if I do the same that it's goin to pass spec
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Post by kozisekracing on Dec 28, 2013 15:05:08 GMT -5
I agree there were a lot of stock class cars that were beefed up more than they should have been, and motors that didn't pull vacuum all year long, kinda sad when they pull up to spec and the car can barely idol cuz of the cam. one of these days were guna be back to one class,
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Post by cwize on Dec 30, 2013 0:02:49 GMT -5
Theron good video. Back then there was respect for another driver and common sense. Today there is not much of either. My vote would go for dropping the points for a year or so and see how things go. If you need to give trophy's out do it for everyone for participating or what every you want to call it. Then lets take the extra money that is saved and pay someone to tech the cars for real and stop the extra over building and out of control motors and racing fuel that you can smell in the stock class. One of the funniest questions I heard last year in the stock class was a guy standing there holding a 4/4 tube for a rear control arm and asking if it was stock. Ha
I am with you and ask how the four brake rule in the stock class got wrote out of the rules? You can still hook up brakes on the floaters may just take more which is your choice!
Years ago before we had two classes the extra building got started and I choose not to spend extra money that way welding the frame and just built safer cages hoping we never got hit in the middle hard. Out of the many years we ran this way we only had one car hit by one of the welded up cars to trash the frame. Which was just one of those things (The respect rule comes into play here)You race me the same way you want to be raced.
You made the other great point for the way the open class is now. You choose to go to a lighter car for more speed or what ever knowing there is a lot of tanks out there, (Just as we run or 3 stock class cars in the open class now facing the same thing you guys are.) Race me the way you want to be raced still works with a lot of guys and luckily we haven't trashed a car for a while doing this.
The position drawing for the feature I thought the heat winners always drew first then the consolation winners, what better way is there? Not sure if it would work good to let the heat winners draw for like the first three or four positions as it is a real good possibility we would see the same guys starting in the front quiet a lots. ( It is a great race to watch when any of those guys come from the back or middle and win.)
The restart line up should be between the officials and the counters with the drivers input if they disagree. Most all the drivers out there have a pretty good idea of where they where running.
Being able to run your stock class car in the open class as long as the car qualifies you should be able to run any class you want as it has always been. Not everyone can afford to haul a car for each class. It goes back to you knowing you are taking the risk of hitting a welded up car and ruining yours.
You can make the argument it is taking the spot of a open class car which is no argument as both drivers have to race to qualify so they earn their spots.( Don't cry because you got out drove)
The building rules in the stock class are there and more than fair and should not hold any one up from building a new car. Just don't read more into them than what is written.
If you fill the need to plate your body completely and your frame,and over build your motor and have questions on what is stock PLEASE move up a class and let the guys that don't want to spend all the extra money and time stay in a cheap class and have fun. Shane or anyone else.. Our motors pulled around 18" vacuum or more cold and hot after a race please explain to me why we have a 15" rule. I know ours are completely stock so why shouldn't they all pull 18" or more. Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas and good New Year Craig
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Post by highroller7x on Dec 30, 2013 19:29:44 GMT -5
I'm not sayin the stock rules are clear as of now in the rule book I agree they are but there were a hand full of cars that were overly beefed up that should not have passed stock class. All I'm sayin is we need someone to actually look at and underneath some of these cars at the races because some are tanks for bein in stock class.
And Craig with the points deal I say keep it! It to me makes racing more fun when your racing for something!!! Yes I think it gets outta hand every now and then but so does every other kind of sport. I think if you take away points you will see a bit of a drop in car counts at the races. Like me myself I've hit every race the past couple of years for the points cause it's a goal to be in the top for points. For example I'm not gonna drive 2 hours to a race like clay center where I got fourth and got 40 dollars. I wouldn't have went to a lot of races if there wasn't points. I know a lot of people that race a lot cause they like the points series like #25 in stock he though it was awesome to get a trophy his first year racing for rookie of the year it motivates you to do better the next year!
I also don't think taking away points is gonna make the racing any cleaner at all! For me I'm still racing to win the money so I'm still gonna drive hard and get to the front no matter what! I don't go to these races to lose! Yes I go to have fun but I'm spending all this money I'm gonna race hard to win too!
Thanks HTR 7x
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Post by kozisekracing on Dec 30, 2013 19:38:42 GMT -5
i never said any names. but for you to say something like that's kinda makes a guy wonder if yours is legal, if its not i could care less cuz your wouldn't be the only one.
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Post by 9tdothemath on Dec 30, 2013 19:58:04 GMT -5
Hey Shane all I see you do on here is complain..... Show up at meeting..... like we should have. Not voting on computer.
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Post by highroller7x on Dec 30, 2013 20:07:17 GMT -5
Shane I'm not tryin to start an argument at all and I didn't point out an individual that's cheating I just said there's overly beefed up cars that could do some damage to other "stock" cars in the class that's all
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Post by cwize on Dec 30, 2013 22:20:42 GMT -5
Thank you Eric for the comment on the points. I have heard it from both sides but just wondering how many would actually not go to a race because of points. I understand the way you are thinking and the trophy thing is cool but is it causing more guys to drive more aggressively then they would if there were no point system?
It would be neat to have a poll on here and actually see how many would change there plans on how many races they ran through out the year if there where no point system!
I am with you on needing someone to keep the stock class cars stock but not sure how to help with the process or suggestions. Back in the day the officials had the final say on whether your car would pass inspection or not and whether you could run or have to load. Now days that has slipped away! I know I didn't like the officials dissension a lot of the time but I respected them and voiced my opinion to them also with the same respect.(Most of the time)
I now I didn't run a race because the officials didn't understand the plating door rule and quite a few years back I was the first one to weld straps from the body to the bumpers and was told it wasn't in the rules and if I didn't cut it I couldn't run that night. Not sure on how we could get back to that!
We need more input and suggestions on getting things back that way rather than changing the rules to allow more welding and plating beyond safety reasons. Craig
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Post by doubleducex on Dec 31, 2013 18:41:12 GMT -5
Here is my thoughts. Keep the points. Don't worry about the third class. Remove dead cars during caution for everyone's safety. Rolling restarts. If someone is good enough to led and kick pass for most of the race they should be able to hold off the guy behind him. It would make it more interesting for everyone. Stock cars are stock and open cars are open. If we tell everyone in the meetings that there is no hitting in the corners let enforce it.
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Post by kozisekracing on Dec 31, 2013 19:49:16 GMT -5
eric I agree there were overly built cars. logan im not complaining most of what I have to say is true. it just pissed me off this past racing season that people said I should'nt be out there that I should have stayed in the open do people or did people say that bout Creighton and Brandon or even Terry when they dropped down to race the stock class. all I gotta say if theres a meeting I pry wont go cause nothing ever gets done and besides half the guys that do go are all on some kind of a race team so what one votes they all vote the same. all I gotta say is bring on 2014 race season. my car is all most done. Happy New Year..
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Post by PwrTrip on Dec 31, 2013 23:21:29 GMT -5
We are working on a date for a meeting to make some happy. I hate wasting time for a meeting as people complain not enoough showed up to vote, yet when we vote online and get a great response, people complain about that. Just proves everyone likes to complain about something! Plus those who complain online, through text and phone calls to me clam up and say nothing at the meeting. An e-mail will be sent and info posted online with meeting date and time.
I would venture to guess that almost every stock class car had something illegal on it this year as guys just can't help to push the limit and cheat. If the rules are enforced to a T I'm guessing we will have either a lot of cars on trailers, or a huge open class that night! I agree that it does need to happen more and this year when things were enforced, guys complained that they had to change stuff and had excuses.
Shane guys did and do complain about all those guys you mentioned along with others. Your decision to do that as with all the decisions everyone makes with the cars they run have to listen to someone else complain. (box cars, tanks, illegal stock class cars, experienced drivers in stock class, race tires, mud tires and more)
I know that the points series pushes some guys to hit more races then they would and that's the main reason it was started. The races with low pay and long distances will have even worse car counts then they do now with no points series. On the points series note I have been asked by the Linn Kansas race to be apart of our points series. What are guys thoughts on this? Its at least one more race if not two to add to the series, has a good payout and is a very fast and big track. This fall they used DDOT for officials and was mostly Nebraska cars. The Kansas cars that raced with us were the same ones that come up and race in Nebraska.
Theron #2
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Post by neverready on Jan 1, 2014 14:48:06 GMT -5
I would like to see the Linn Kansas races to be added. Like you said Theron its a big fast track and have had alot of fun at that track this year. It does pay out good and we drive that far and farther to some races here in nebraska and after talking to the guys that put the race on they eventually want to add a little banking to the turns and make them more of a sweeping turn then a hair pin turn which makes for alot more fun racing.
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Post by highroller7x on Jan 1, 2014 21:49:31 GMT -5
I agree with Tyler on Kansas race being added it was one of the fastest and more fun tracks to race at all year!! Had a good payout too for the little amount of cars that showed up
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