The way I read the stock class rules on tires, P series tires only, with no more than 4 ply rating and a width of no more than 10 inches. This is clear and should be enough tire. The rules, particularly for stock, need to keep the cars limited and the builds under control.
Here are a few things to look at: #1) Some new people are going to have to step up and help the group out going in the future. A few people have decided it's time to move on and let some fresh faces come in. This will take place at the next meeting so if you are in a spot where you would like to help out some more and want to ask some questions as to what all takes place with each position, feel free to call me. 402-853-3704 cell
#2) Where do you stock class guys want to stop??? I personally like Hoosiers as they are cheap, don't tear up the track as much as other tires and can easily be ran with non bead lock tires. But if you do this the guys with power will benefit and walk the dog even more. Same goes for headers. The cars will sound cooler and more like a race car, but once again the guys with the horses will benefit. At what point do you guys stop and maybe go the other direction before there is just one class again? You guys voted in heavy duty anything goes custom rear ends and that's changed the game as you don't see the cheater motors breaking axles taking themselves out any more.
#3) How does the group enforce the rules the drivers make??? Nobody has ever come up with a great solution for this and clearly the drivers push the envelope and yet just complain about the other guy cheating. It's funny that I hear more complaining from the cheating guys about each other then I do the guys who aren't cheating. My idea is to let the rules go back to the officials so it's 100% their rules and they can enforce what they want. The drivers have nobody to complain to be the officials and the officials have to take it or enforce their own rules. NeFigure8n doesn't have to listen to whiny drivers all year long when we have no control over a rule being enforce or not enforced. Guys complained when the front ends got cut apart, yet complain if something else didn't get enforced. I listened forever at Arlington to someone complain that they had to cut a circle into the metal and the officials wouldn't listen to them argue about it, tough, just drill the hole, shut up and race. I think there needs to be a meeting for the rules where the officials can listen to driver input and then do what they want and post them. NeFigure8n would go to just helping promote the sport and have a website that makes the rules easy to find and lists the races just like it does now. I also think it needs to be where you are either legal or you don't race. Telling everyone just to have it fixed for the next race is BS. You are either good or your not. Crack down on the stuff at the first race or two and then inspection becomes pretty fast and easy after as you mostly just have safety stuff to look at and a quick glance of the car. Tech the top three or four after each race and your good to go. Why waste so much time teching guys (outside of safety items) who aren't making the feature or running 9th, as if they are cheating they aren't doing a great job at it or just can't drive. I also think the rules need cleaned up in all areas, you either have to have brakes or you don't. Simple!
#4) I as well would like to see digger tires gone from the open class. They tear up the track, throw huge chunks of dirt at drivers, fans and officials and tear up the track wasting everyone's time as tractors go in circle's. Yet I think it's hard to tell guys an investment they have is now worthless and think over time everything cycles through. At most races this year only a few guys ran them and for the most part were slower. I think they will eventually be pretty much gone like the heavy over built tanks are and done without any rules being passed.
Post by kozisekracing on Nov 22, 2014 19:19:46 GMT -5
Like I said don't add things. Keep the rules the same. Like Theron said if we keep adding and adding were going to end up with one class. If that happens how many guys are going to put money into their cars to make them compete with the other open cars. Pry not many and then they will come to race get in the way of the open cars that have big motors and need the room to open them up so they run good. So no matter what happens no one is going to be happy. Either way it's a win lose situation.
I have no problem having the officials run the rules, as long as we all know what the rules are, there shouldn't be any problems. Since we have two sets of officials, they should both be on the same page, I would assume. We need to keep the stock class a fairly cheap way to race, so younger kids can enter the sport.
We have talked about having a meeting, but with almost no talk on here I don't really see the point. I personally think the rules should be handed back to the officials as they are the ones who can and do enforce the rules. The group really has no enforcement power and nobody who wants to stand up and do it. Everyone complains both when the rules are enforced and when they aren't so I don't really see the problem with the rules from last year staying the same outside cleaning some stuff up. If others have ideas on how to enforce the cheated motors then let's hear it and say how and who is going to do it.
Ray under body #16. No reinforcing of any kind on the inside of front fenders. No pipe or steel plate. May, reinforce rear quarter panels and trunk. Basically you can't tie the fenders to the loop to add strength to them.
Last Edit: Dec 29, 2014 14:09:28 GMT -5 by PwrTrip
Ok theron just a question you said you wld leave the rules like they are from last year but then are kind of going the way of letting ray who has a front wheel car into the stock class. My only question is when the guy from rising city showed up with his ranchero he wasn't allowed to race point being said he built a new car to race the stock class so what about this one car.
I never said rays front wheel drive can race in stock, nice try. He asked for clarification on a rule and I tried to help answer that question. For all I know he is building a new car as you stock class guys have never answered him. I don't run stock, don't vote on stock rules, just give my thoughts as you guys add more and more each year. Technically anyone questioning the rules or looking for clarification should call, text or email the officials as they make the decisions at the track. I just try to help steer guys into the right area of the rule book.
Last Edit: Dec 29, 2014 23:06:31 GMT -5 by PwrTrip
Post by crazynewbie on May 11, 2015 13:05:38 GMT -5
I'm looking to get into either figure 8 or demolition derby but don't have an endless pocket book. My question is what do you suggest I start out with as far as a car and I've read the rules for demo derby no weld and I just can't believe all the rules. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks