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Post by highroller7x on Oct 5, 2012 16:49:39 GMT -5
Very true ill agree with you on that shane
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Post by kozisekracing on Oct 6, 2012 10:42:39 GMT -5
if the rules got followed it would be to easy and everything would go smooth and heaven for bid we cant ever have that. ;D
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Post by David Bryan on Oct 8, 2012 9:50:04 GMT -5
Hello Shane, how about a few exapmles of what does not get followed? It is time to get started. David Bryan
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Post by schweitzer65 on Oct 8, 2012 19:40:35 GMT -5
I also would like to see a meeting. Things that could be talked about are the following. stock class rules, open class rules, black flags, why some of the races are starting about an hour or more late. Is it time for a 3rd class. Why are some of the fellow drivers complaining about some of the shows and their pay out like at the Nefigure8 Demo.I don't know any thing about the derby but there was questions about the pay, This is not the first time Nefigure8n has put on a show with question about the pay out for the night. In the future it might be good to post the pay out or what you will pay based on car count. I have some questions on the black flags. I'm getting to the point that I'm not sure what warrants a black flag. I will go to some shows see cars git hit spun out and or end up on the berm with no flag. Latter that same night I will see a car being driven hard and competing not spinning any one out and they get the black. So I think that should be brought up. With that being said I don't think there is any driver out there trying to take some one out. We all have a lot of time and money invested in our cars. Some of the calls seem to be different depending on who you are. Also why do some of the races get stopped and the leaders get put back where they were and some don't. With the third class,some of the people that I have talked to think it is time.With some of the cars out there they feel that they cant compete and should not have to run with them. That they should be in there own heats and final. Should the car have to be a year, make and model or what ever you want to build. The hole thing about for the drivers buy the drivers it seem that there are more things that could be done at the end of some nights. There are still some of the races that the final placing is in question there has to be more done on this also. It would be nice if all the different officials and drivers would attend this meeting when it is held.
Schweitzer65.
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Post by kozisekracing on Oct 8, 2012 21:46:34 GMT -5
really only one thing dave, its the illegal motors in the stock class. O and the add metal to the bumpers for radiator protectors that should all be behind the radiator support. the driving in the stock class needs to get undercontrol there are more stock class cars getting tore up and junked in one race.
after reading what chris posted. I would agree that there are drivers getting treated better than other drivers.
as far as adding another class thats all up to the fairboards since they are paying the purse.
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Post by wrnmtrsprt88 on Oct 8, 2012 23:14:51 GMT -5
Shane srry to say but nothing will change in stock class people will always find a way to cheat after last year and the 3cheated races i raced in proved certian people get yelled at others dont im not saying anything about anyone here but idk someone gets spun out in the first turn you reset the field for him why cus his daddy will yell at you but then off the restart same shit happened to me and not shit happened and you wondered why i was pissed hmmm just shows why im done with this joke wink wink why car is in the gm classifieds to many cry babys who cheat to win you dont know how many times i heard from STOCK class guys sayin yea my motor is bored out hello that isnt stock or how many edelbrock carbs i seen at ddot shows i will say dave is the best at checkin every ddot show they used my vac gauge that i had mounted on my dash daves crew made me pull mine and use theres ok shows they want some eqaulity yes dave had every right to yell at me when he did i ran a car never driven before or anything with had problems i should of pulled off but i didnt. This nefigure8n needs to go look what has happened to this sport i will say in the last 5 years i remember every year in york you see 90u plus cars there now what maybe 40 and the class rule yes you know how to fix it dont allow them match box cars of coarse last year everyone bitched about so your put it in the rules now thats crap. When corey can build a stock class motor that does the same horse as a open and make it pass vac uk the rules are fucked up its a rv cam or a vac cam from speedway after watchin guys pull away from me in the races i was at showed that and thats what i wanted to prove this year ......to many cheaters no one can be honest anymore start compression testin every car out there and start looking under peopls dis cap bet you wont find stock parts in that or if your gona bitch about headers you better out law the headers i ran because they do the same shit goin down as they do up its as down
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Post by wrnmtrsprt88 on Oct 8, 2012 23:17:47 GMT -5
And i would also like to add daves crew checked safety made sure they driver had no problems ddot didnt check nothing walked up looked at vac and walked away daves guys walked over every inch on the car and if they found a problem then didnt let you run till it was fixed this nefigure8n is leanin againts the wrong offical here rather be safe instead of having your car checked out by little boys who just look at vac
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Post by David Bryan on Oct 9, 2012 10:11:58 GMT -5
Hello. Good thoughts above. I do not see a third class in Nebraska. The simple reason is the cash payouts. To add a third class will only take away money from the first two. Fair Boards will not ADD any money to their purse. The pie would only be cut in to thirds. I can read from above (and during the season), the one thorn seems to be the stock class engines. I have wrote before and wil write now, what is "stock". The rules now. Stock means stock. Cast iron block, cast iron heads, exhaust, flat top pistons, etc....My point is: Is a 1969 Chevy 427 with (factory Holley carb) 12 to 1 compression, a "stock" engine? Is a 1968 Ford 427 with (factory Holley carb) 12 to 1 compression, a "stock" engine? Is a 1968 Plymouth 426 (with two Holley carbs) 12 to 1, a "stock" engine? Is a 1970 Mopar 440 (with a 1000 cfm thermoquad) 10 to 1, a "stock" engine? 1970 Buick, Olds, Pontiac 455 (all with 9 to 1 or more), a "stock" engine? ALL the engines above made well over 400 horse power, WITH cast iron exhaust manifolds. And some complain about a small block Chevy with 10 to 1 compression? Really?
The question should be; do you want stock engines? OR, do you want to limit the "other guy" to no more than what you have now? Think about it. David Bryan
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Post by kozisekracing on Oct 9, 2012 20:41:10 GMT -5
maybe there should be a cubic inch rule and compression rule. hell tare down a couple of motors some nite after a race. i'll provide the gasket set
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Post by David Bryan on Oct 10, 2012 9:44:28 GMT -5
Hello. Do the stock class drivers want a cubic inch rule? Do they want a compression rule? Good questions. Should all drivers be allowed to vote on rules in one class? OR Should only the drivers of one class be allowed to vote in that class? OR Should only the leadership make the rules?
One thing about tearing down an engine at the track; It is fine to tear it down, sounds good right, BUT, who puts it back together? AND When? I know I will not. And to go one step further, once the engine is torn down, (in the dust, in the dark, with drink ing people around), WHO is going to know what the bore and stroke of a .030 over 351 Cleveland should be? It does sound good to talk about it, but to do it could be (will be) a big problem. I do know a cash protest fee must be in place for this.
Possibly a cash "claim" would be a better deterrent? David Bryan
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Post by Wize13 on Oct 10, 2012 13:34:23 GMT -5
Possibly a cash "claim" would be a better deterrent? David Bryan I like this idea. It would be a pretty big deterrent for a few to let their motor go for a $500 claim. This would take away the issues we currently have with what is "stock" or "legal" with the motors. Mike Wize
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Post by kozisekracing on Oct 10, 2012 20:14:41 GMT -5
claim is not the way to go. that would cause a big problem between drivers and then the grug hits start to happen and what not. its suppose to be a fun and friendly sport, if people want to claim then go to circle track and deal with the imca crap. If there is a claim rule then there better be law enforcement at each race cause if i were to have a motor claimed it wouldnt be good. and besides I wouldnt let it go even if it were to be bone stock cause I wouldnt be the one to pull it.
Dave as far as voting stock class drivers vote for stock class and open class drivers vote for open class. drivers only and not pit helpers.
As far as checking bore it should be stock shouldnt it. no motor should be bored out in the stock class but i guess if thats ok I have a motor that will work great in the stock class.
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Post by wrnmtrsprt88 on Oct 10, 2012 22:21:57 GMT -5
Like i said before no mattter what u do or try there is gona be someone who cheats why push it you do engines claims well that wont work cus not all run chevys or fords or dodge ok then what about protests well how you gona do that the problem with ripping down peoples motors is well look what we had this year what two weekends were it was back to back to back to back nights of racing there are some people who have to work some weekends at there job well i bet the dont have time for that car if they wanna keep racing just at the start of the race pull the number one spark plug and compression test it then random out one other one they match and have stock compression then they race thats the only way ur gona get around this without someone cheating and just by looking at a motor you can tell if its been ripped apart and redone
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Post by cheek on Oct 11, 2012 18:37:10 GMT -5
just kind of wondering what was going on if there was going to be a rules meeting or what and after reading the above wondering how the stock class engine thing was guna work out and if it fine for me run a 351w in my car i no a few people that are selling them cheap and i dont want to waste the money on it if im not guna be allowed to run it. just trying to stay involved
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Post by 9tdothemath on Oct 11, 2012 19:59:28 GMT -5
Shane why the hell do you care so much. Why don't you worry about open class the stock class has nothing to do with you. Half the motors people get in the stock class are not stock bore cause they get honed or board a little over to get the cylinder wall cleaned up. Have you ever tore a old motor down? Tare a motor down at the end of the night? Im sorry but thats going to piss people off cause what happens when it rains iron the next night cause someone was in a hurry to put it back together. Why are you so worried about the stock class?
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