Post by David Bryan on Aug 19, 2011 8:55:40 GMT -5
Hello. Girls should not race in figure 8? Why not? Why are boys better than girls? I think it would be good for the sport if more girls drove. I did not get a chance to read the post by mike64, but I can guess what was posted. Girls drive like gilrs? HA!. I know some "boys" who drive like girls! There are some boys, who have driven figure 8 for years, who do not belong on the track. Some do learn and get better over time (#65 car is night and day better than four years ago, and the #81x is also much better). Some, though, just never care to learn. Just my thoughts. David Bryan
Post by otioldtimer on Aug 29, 2011 22:29:02 GMT -5
I'm modifying this post as the previous post suggested violence and I'm not about that. I truly stand for equal rights and totally respect women. I want each of you to be treated fair and have fun together. All for now! Thanks Todd
Post by otioldtimer on Aug 29, 2011 22:30:44 GMT -5
I would like to thank everyone for all the work that went into making the championship race possible. There is a lot of work to pull that together and make it all possible. Thank You! I should mention each person but I know I will leave someone out and then could make someone feel bad. So, Thanks to everyone!
Next : I was visiting with the sheriff at Arlington early in the evening the night we raced there. He ask me, Will there be trouble later on tonight? I assured him, NO. I explained, Approximately 40 of us travel to all the shows around Nebraska and race each other all the time. I told him we pride ourselves to come in put on a show, pickup our pit areas, and leave the property as it was when we arrive. The OTI crew was some of the last to leave the property. Before We left, I picked up only 5 articles of trash in the entire pit area. That made me very proud of each and every race team that was there that night. Thanks goes out again. These acts show responsibility and demonstrate the pride that makes us all unite as a group.
The next subject is borrowing items thru out the season from each other. This is the time of the season, if you owe another team any parts or supplies make sure to get square will each other. This will help to ensure good relations and a good supply for next year. I think everyone is square with us. I bought a 7448 belt to return to someone. One of our pit crew, borrowed it for the 88k car one night and I don't know who it needs to go to.
With all that said comes the final race. As some already know Leroy and Crystal Taylor have chosen to step up and make the York Fest race possible. Leroy wants everyone to know they are doing this for all of us. It is to be a day of fun racing each other. It is not about points. It should not be about York Ne. What I mean is just because it is York and it seems to be known as rough!!!! Why is there a need for that? Why is there a need for bobcats to load 10-12 cars after the race. Is it the soil? Is it the track? Is it because it is York? My point is, Come have fun and race the heck out of each other (clean) You all have good cars and most everyone making finals have the skills to run each other clean and have fun!! Yes, I have heard Some Crap and I will leave it as CRAP. However, when a fellow driver and his wife step up to put their money on the line for each of us, it becomes a small business venture. Simply put, It costs $7,000-8,000 dollars to put this kind of show together. If they only receive $4,000 dollars worth of cars,drivers and fans then the payout will be low and Taylor's could still loose a lot of money. If any of you decide to step up and put a show together, we all need to help make it a success. I know some have taken offense to Dave's post. I believe he was only trying to say the same things that I'm trying to say. Let's get together one more time on the track and have fun together. If everyone does their part (drives clean) and just race the hell out of each other. I believe the officials can even go home ending the season with a smile and have a good attitude to wards next season. I hope I have not offended anyone. Let's make York fest a success and have some fun !!!!!
Post by David Bryan on Sept 4, 2011 23:40:02 GMT -5
Hello. So, otioldtimer...what is your ruling on bringing two cars to one show? I know how I would make a decision, but I thought I would ask your opinion. I assumed that bringing two cars to one show was fine with the Nefigure8N, I guess I assumed wrong? (Post number 21 or 22 on this thread? page 2?) Let me know your thoughts. Thank you. David Bryan
just got back from the state fair from the derby and will have to say that it really had some good cars and was very enjoyable to watch. hope that they can get to do a figure 8 there. but i got my check for 2nd place in the trucks and was kind of blown away that i got more for that than a guy that took two cars to the race last weekend and they both got into the finales and did really well. not sure to think about that because the state fair had 3 classes to pay out. but really i know that money is a driving factor into everything but it sure looks like something needs to be looked at if someone brings 2 cars to a race and they both make the finales and the money for both cars isn't any more than a slap in the face.
Post by otioldtimer on Sept 5, 2011 21:34:12 GMT -5
Just got home from the lake. We had a great time with our kids and grand kids and some great friends. To answer the question about 2 or even more cars. There is a fee paid per car. (On each car) so, it needs to be viewed as another total racer. If you pay your entry on each car you should get to race each car. Think about it like, If you pay the entry on a stock class and a open class car, no one even thinks twice. If you brought 4 open cars and paid 4 times as much to race, you should be allowed to race. That would be extremely hard on the person.
Now, it opens other questions about points and such. To keep it simple. I think you should only claim the points for the best run of the night. I believe this because it would put a unfair advantage to all the other one car owners. I heard the thought shared with me that He now only has to beat 10 other cars to win tonight. (True statement) However, All 11 cars on the field only have to beat 10 other cars to win tonight. By having the 12th car not make the final the worst finish anyone else could get would be 11th.
If you look at it one way, It can appear that one person is hogging the spots that another person could have utilized.
The black and white of it is, that person paid for 2 spots and if you don't view him as the same person you wouldn't even think twice. yes, it does make you play it around in your head as to what is right or wrong with it.
When you build new or change your setup it makes us nervous to do that. When you have a car for sale you want to show people it works. The second car can be for different reasons. I have wanted to see Hoosier tires in a feature for years. But it is always the question, is now the time to be experimenting? Maybe the problem is the points system. If, we didn't care about points, would we all be more willing to change the setup? and try different things. This is my thoughts on it. Thanks Todd
Post by David Bryan on Sept 5, 2011 21:46:04 GMT -5
Hello. Todd, I do understand all what you write. Two spots paid, run two cars. I understand points should only go to the one car, one driver. My question is though, what about the run for the money....to heck with points. Why not allow another driver drive for the money? Throw out the points for any one. No points, but what about the run for the money? I feel if you want to let another driver, drive your car (for what ever reason), why not?
In my opinion, if the driver who paid for the entry, EARNS a spot in the final, then why not let another person drive that same car in the final?
I see no problem with it. Thank you for the conversation. David Bryan
Post by otioldtimer on Sept 5, 2011 22:17:19 GMT -5
To Everyone , I'm thinking about that situation Dave and I are discussing. The good, The bad, and the ugly of it. If you freeze the field and there is no 12th car on the field 11th and up are better off. points and money (potential). Dave I'm with you on your thought also. However, the person who drives the car. Experienced or scared to death? These open features are crazy fast and the guys racing out there together seem to read each other pretty well. I hope you don't see me avoiding the question. I'm trying to think in and out of the box on this. I'm thinking, it could open the door to a lot of car hoping and confusion also. Example: Brandon drives two cars to get me a spot in the feature each night. I see no honor served. I want to earn my own spot. Brandon registered 2 cars in Coon Rapids, IA one night. After a redraw, he was in back to back heats, no way to drive two cars. I then drove one and he drove one. We both transferred to the A Main. We then raced both cars. I need to sleep on that question. Thanks Todd
Still up and thinking. Is the driver of the extra car, out there to Race or Block? Is this person registered correctly and the liability waiver signed as a driver. Does this person have anything to loose by taking someone out and being disqualified? Do the other finalist deserve to deal with this? Is it a person some of the finalist already beat fair and square earlier in the night?
My opinion in the future is this. I think the point system needs to go out the window. I think all cars making the feature need paid the same money. Keep track of top 3 cars for hardware and bragging rights. I would strive to get all venues to provide top 3 spots with trophies. (both classes) Big Tracks/Big Shows run 12 car features Small Tracks/ Small shows run 9 car features Small Tracks/Big Shows race them down to 9 car features. (B Main) Again, this is only my opinion. I feel everyone would gain from this logic. Easier to officiate, More racing less stuff tore up. Happier drivers, Better unity among all involved.
I think Nefigure8n needs to continue:
I believe it has a purpose and lacks a formal mission statement. ( By Laws) It has been a learning curve and it is time for some new blood to step up. The main thing is everyone involved in this sport has their individual purpose. When you put this together as team effort coupled with respect for each other and appreciate the who and what of it all WOW! what a family. Yes, I know everyone wants to win. But people, If the enemy lands, we would band together and fight from the same side line in less then a heart beat. Let's not fight with promoters, officials, or each other. Let's race, leave it on the track, bring your thoughts to the table.
The stock class wow! 36 cars! (AT DAVID CITY) Lots more broken or not at that show. This in itself is a victory! I hope it goes to 60-80 cars again. (yes it was believed that Nebraska once had around 100 figure eight cars. I believe it is possible, if the rules are held right where they are at. (Rules) They have to be limited and controlled right where They are at or less. This is what makes it desirable and affordable. (the key is to keep it stock and not let it migrate into another open class) What if the open class drops in numbers and the Stock Class takes over? Is that all Bad? Can a small number of high powered open class cars be the grand finally of the show? It works in several other motor sports. It works in Drag cars (TOP FUEL) Tractor pullers (UNLIMITED OUTLAW CLASS) Sprint Cars 360 410 (OUTLAW 410's)
I think it would be great if, we could get the State fair race each year to be the Championship Race. Let them provide the Venue. If everyone would sell a couple of ads, use the money from sponsors and sales to fund some electrical stuff, Some additional trophies for the Championship. So we could present hardware all the way down the field. GPS is in the future. Very expensive right now, But, yes they can even track a figure 8 car. Now, there is a lot right there to think about. I would really appreciate some thoughts, opinions and some adult feed back. I really hope to hear some good ideas and ask that this forum not be turned into a finger pointing game.
Post by David Bryan on Sept 6, 2011 8:53:19 GMT -5
Hello. Todd, very good points on the second car "what if'". A few I did not think about. Some thing that needs to be talked about at the next meeting.
Yes, next meeting. I agree, Nefigure8N needs to stay.
Some more very good words.
Points system though, I am not sure it needs to go away. Possibly tweaked at some tracks, more at others? Still thinking on that one. And yes, count the registered cars Mike Wize has kept track of. Yes there are a few doubles, but I think there ARE over 100 cars! One idea, have phone numbers, have three independant t people CALL each driver for votes on things. Add up the polls. This would give an accurate feeling of what the group wants, or does not want? Just a thought.
Mike Wize does a wonderful job!
State Fair figure 8 race. I will do what I can to make sure there is one for 2012. I may know a lot more in the next few weeks. All for now. David Bryan
I agree there are some very good points being made about the points/running two cars that need to be discussed/tweaked. Making what can/can't be done clearer I think will help a lot.
I think the points add an aspect that make it even more competitive. Everyone wants to be crowned the champion. I believe the points has also helped car counts at some tracks where people are running for points which in the end will help everyone because it adds more chances to race. Not everyone runs for points which is fine. In each class only 15-20 of the cars ran 10 races or more meaning less than half of the people that ran a race this year were running for points. So because less than half of the people are running for points is getting rid of them totally the best thing? Remember as of right now the points are for bragging rights and a trophy.
I like the idea of getting more people involved in the vote to get a better idea of how people feel as a group whether it is phone, text, email, or internet voting.
Post by draperracing6 on Sept 6, 2011 13:16:39 GMT -5
I also agree very good discussion I will throw in my 2 cents worth in On two cars it seems to me with rules we have in place as long as you pay your entry fee you could have a car in every heat but since driver qualifies not car that if both cars would qualify driver could only race one the other car would not take the green flag therefore forfit any money or points. I believe the rule is drivers can change cars but cars cannot change drivers I also agree that trophies sould be awarded for both classes top 3 and I also agree with at big tracks increasing car count to 12 cars Points I don't believe we should get rid of them we should expand them I think that we should get rid of the championship race and use the money spent there to create a point fund to pay out to the drivers that run a minium of ten races as far as testing or trying new things this year we had 17 races and 10 counted for points so you had 7 races to mess up and guess wrong or try something new. I believe the points keep the racing real competive and keeps our car count up. maybe to make awards presentations we could have a banquet after the season Nefigure8n has to stay it has been what has made us a group people go to see. I also feel it lacks definition what is it ? A sanctioning body, A promoter we as a group need to decide which direction to go. Stock class need to be regulated some recent changes need to revisited we need to keep that a place were guys can get started affordable and guys can keep racing affordable we need an entry level class. Thank you for letting me give you some of my ideas I think this kinda discussion is nessary to keep our sport getting bigger and better. Lookng forward to working with everyone in the off season to promote fgure 8 racing Jeff Draper
Post by kozisekracing on Sept 6, 2011 19:26:10 GMT -5
Im not so sure on the whole thing of running to cars for different heats, cuz say if the driver get both cars into the finals he can only drive one and the other sits which would be taking away from someone else that could have been in the finals.